posted this on December 6, 2012, 10:52 AM
I agree with this comment
"Personally, I will be horrified if I can no longer make my deceased relatives private back to 3rd great-grandparent and out to 4th cousin .... Also because in some cases there is definitely info there that was entered in the understanding that these profiles could be kept private so only Family could see them This would definitely be a violation of what they promised us.
Yes I agree !
So much negativity about an exciting development.
We are all part of the complex process of merging two huge genealogical resources; anyone with any knowledge of software development and/or company merges will know that some changes are going to take place. Some of those changes will please us, others will be less satisfying but let us at least give the benefit of the doubt to the new, combined. management and technical teams to turn the finished product into a better genealogical resource. No commercial company in its right mind would knowingly make the product less useful for its users; we would simply give our custom to another resource.
Personally, as a paid up member of both Geni and My Heritage, I am optimistic about the improvements that will come our way and expect that the management team have many exciting new features/improvements planned for us in the near future - and I for one am willing to give them a chance to come up with them.
They say this is an enhancement? "You can now export a GEDCOM on any profile you've added for free" But, in reverse this means that PRO users can no longer export profiles they did not create. For two years I have been working on Benjamin Nye's tree and export the tree weekly for safe keeping, but now I can no longer do this because I dd not creat the profile. This is not an enhancement for PRO users, but a change for the worse.
I don't think we have got that clarity as of yet, and I don't know how long it will take before we do.
Judi: I completely agree with you: If Geni are talking legal, they illegally changed the attributes of OUR data.David: If one can deal only with the private profiles in "his" tree, he will never get access to the other tree - and the merges will never happen.
Currently, Geni data is a mess of unintentionally duplicated and multiplicated profiles(part of it due to the misleading entry screen, which prompts you to start your tree rather than attach to the possibly existing one),and the new rule makes it impossible to fight these duplications.
David I agree with you I do no like it that profiles that I DECIDE TO MAKE PUBLIC in my persoanl tree with no data in any area have all of a sudden been turned private - they were done in order to promote research and to find long lost cousins who may know nothing beyond their parents as I had I knew may grandparents - on my fathers side but did not even know my maternal grandmothers name untill I started doing the family history - many of the distant cousins I knew by first name and face only to me this is an invasion of our rights we are the ones who have databased this information into Geni - I would difinetly like my profiles reverted back to the way I had them entered in as public
MyHeritage (USA) Inc.4778 N 300 W, Suite 230Provo, Utah 84604
still falls under US law
Question: Now, with the (unclaimed) profiles of living people being "private" - how can we promote tree merges?
Answer: I think that can now only be done with the participation of the manager of the private profile, or someone in the family group of the manager of the private profile, or someone in the family group of the private profile itself. This has always been the case with private profiles. Difference now is that suddenly there are a lot more private profiles than there used to be.
Now, with the (unclaimed) profiles of living people being "private" - how can we promote tree merges?
I am excited about the improvement in entering dates. This will make profiles on Geni much more accurate.
I think we can all expect to see much more tweaking of the privacy rules as Geni moves forward with the MyHeritage merger. Don't forget, Other countries have different rules about these things. When we were a totally US-owned company, we clearly stated in our privacy statements that US laws were being applied, and that international users, by using Geni, were agreeing that the information they added to the site, were governed by US law. Now that Geni is owned by a foreign company, we need to adjust to foreign laws. I am sure that Geni's senior management is working very hard to reconcile the differences.
David Prins, as to public figures, I believe there will be a solution through the Master Profile program. Stay tuned. Curators are discussing this very point.
Personally, I will be horrified if I can no longer make my deceased relatives private back to 3rd great-grandparent and out to 4th cousin -- especially with the policy in place allowing any Pro to edit or merge any Public Profile on the Big Tree, and given that I am attached to the Big Tree. Also because in some cases there is definitely info there that was entered in the understanding that these profiles could be kept private so only Family could see them This would definitely be a violation of what they promised us.
The privacy page says Private profiles are intended for living relatives and minors. Public profiles are intended for deceased relatives and public figures.
Does that mean that Geni users can choose not to follow those intentions, or are those intentions mandatory? Can a Geni user choose to make a deceased relative private or a living relative public?
It's also unclear how Public Figures would be defined, and what about Public Figures who are minors - such as young royals?
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