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Support for Adoptive Parents

Joe Buttrill
suggested this on February 02, 2011 10:35 AM

On the Tree view of Geni, when you click on the yellow up arrow for adding a parent, add two new choices for "Add Adoptive Father" and "Add Adoptive Mother." Then let Geni update its databases in such away so as to support both birth parents and adoptive parents.

According to http://www.geni.com/people/Philip-J-Decker-Edwards/6000000003483639500 this request has been outstanding for over three years. According to http://www.geni.com/people/Mike-Stangel/54 "Properly supporting adoption is on our 'to do' list."

 

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Terry Jackson (Switzer)
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If Mike S says it's on the to do list then you can trust that it will be dealt with eventually. It is indeed an important issue not just for adoptive parents/children but for those relationships that historically are uncertain as Pam W pointed out.  Geni is not a Jewish organisation and although MH is I don't see that as affecting this issue as it is a World tree that we are trying to create here.

August 27, 2014 03:24 AM
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Rob van Aurich

I think this Geni project is a Jewesh project. And in Israel there are no adoptive children (i.e. hardly no, less than 50 a year). Adoption is almost forbidden in Israel, only if the Beliefs are completely equal it is allowed. So the Geni's will never put any adoptions into this project. It is not their business.

August 27, 2014 02:15 AM
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Patricia Ann Scoggin (Anderson)

I have 2 great aunts born in the mid 1800's, whose biological father died at sea and was adopted by my gg grandfather to join his family of 14 other children and a nephew who has been adopted by my brother.  Soooo this issue is of great interest to me.  I know that it has been on the "to do" list for those creating new features for Geni for SEVERAL years, but it would seem it is time that this adoptive/foster parent issue should go to the top of the list!!!!!!!!!!!  Those of us with adopted relatives and foster parents/children would like to get our trees as correct as possible!!!  

I saw a comment about making them like a marriage/divorce where you could include the biological parents, who would become "ex-parent(s)", which would work very nicely.  That way if someone wanted to follow that line they would be able to do so.  These adopted and foster children are the children of the heart even though they aren't biologically connected and need to have their "tree" reflecting reality not a "make-do with supportive info in the About section" (although that would still be needed).  There are a lot of suggestions for addressing this challenging issue, soooo, PLEASE get on the stick and address this!!!  You all do a great job in dealing with so many other problems, what is taking so long to resolve this one???????

Here is just one suggestion:

Faye Baldwin had an idea: Too bad the whole thing cant be set up like spouses....set up the orig....set up the 2nd set....and make the original parents as EX-PARENTS... Now THAT would be logical....and useful.  
February 12, 2013 09:03 AM
August 27, 2014 01:08 AM
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Magnus Eriksson
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Foster children feature is important. Have geni stopped development in favour of my haritage?

I suspect Geni are unsure on how to calculate the number steps when calculating the cloest path between the persons. The easiest solution is that a foster children relation should be treated in the same way as a marriage relation. However, about 50% of our behaviour is caused by biological heritage, and 50% by social environment, so it would even make sense if one foster parent relation corresponds to two steps in the biological tree. 

August 03, 2014 02:59 AM
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Jacob Clarence Rideout

Any update on this?

July 05, 2014 01:51 AM
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Judith Judi Elaine (McKee) Burns
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Amen Sally  without the ussers Geni would  of have NOTHIN G  and  we do all the hard work of  the data entering by hand -  I think we as the users deserve  the respect of our ideas of how a genealogy program should work  - if a computer program that is private and   used on a personal computer can support and maintain  the adoptive  foster/guardian  feature  for children of a family so can and online program

March 27, 2014 09:54 AM
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Marsha Gail (Kamish) Veazey
Curator
There are SO MANY features Geni hasn't gotten around to implementing. Now that it's sold, I have given up on any improvements and just keep entering what I can enter. Too bad. Such a wonderful thought....we're all related.
March 27, 2014 07:02 AM
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Sally Ann McConnell

C'mon Geni.  3 years is a long time.  We are the ones who add value to this site and there are so many outstanding issues and questions that must be addressed - this being one of them.  I have written a few pleas for help over the last 2 years and NOT ONE of them has been attended to.  Many promises but no action.  I am kind of losing heart, yet I enjoy Geni.  Don't disappoint us.

March 27, 2014 06:56 AM
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Judith Judi Elaine (McKee) Burns
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Amen  Ashley -  I have basically given up on  ever getting it on GENI - I would like to see it yet tho  I have  been working on my cousin's line in the past and his mother was adopted   and I have carried both line out as they are  both heavy Greene county Indiana  ancestry   also I fell it is important that a person should be able to see both the adoptive  and biological side of the  families-

January 25, 2014 08:47 AM
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Ashley Odell
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Sorry for the submission flip-out -- I guess even my "Save comment" button is upset. :) But really, this just looks so bad to outsiders and is awful for so many of us already committed to the site. I'm not stomping my foot demanding this feature now, but I would sincerely appreciate some kind of update. Thank you!

January 24, 2014 11:04 PM
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Ashley Odell
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This morni am looking at my tree and feeling my usual sadness about not being able to work on about 30% of it because of no adoption support, and I'm just genuinely at a loss as to why there's been no communication on this. You guys are *so good* about keeping us users informed, but I feel like we hear nothing on this. Yet whenever I read negative reviews or hear unfavorable comments about Geni at conferences and meetings, this almost always comes up.

January 24, 2014 10:59 PM
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Judith Judi Elaine (McKee) Burns
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This still need to be implemented in some way- its been on the back burner - burning  all to long - there has to be a way to treat  the adoptive(foster)  parents in some intellectual manner on GENI if it can ben done in private  programs such as Family Tree, Legacy, Root Magic6 < PAF(Personal Ancestral File)  there is no excuse as why it can not and should not be implemented in the GENI platform

September 15, 2013 10:04 PM
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Ashley Odell
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Just adding another vote of support here.  I can't wait for this to happen and look forward to being able to better work on my tree when it happens.

May 18, 2013 10:16 AM
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Marsha Gail (Kamish) Veazey
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Faye Baldwin had an idea: Too bad the whole thing cant be set up like spouses....set up the orig....set up the 2nd set....and make the original parents as EX-PARENTS... Now THAT would be logical....and useful.
February 12, 2013 09:03 AM
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Craig
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Annelise, I have not read your work-around for adoptive or foster situations, but from Michael's comment and a few assumptions, I'd have to say I disagree with this approach. Relationships are complicated, subjective and unique. Moreover, most of the people I know interested in genealogy take great pride in making sure the records are accurate. Surely, I could figure out a number of ways to work around this issue, but that doesn't mean that it is the right way to go about it, or that we should stop petitioning Geni.com to put effort into supporting this feature. 

I don't know about you, but my family is rife with adoptions, and in many of those cases, knowledge of both sets of parents is requisite to have a full understanding of what those people's lives were like. Espcially when you go back to smaller communities, where you are more likely to find several connections between the biological and adoptive parents, it is currently very difficult to portray that. 

The bottom line is this. For those who are continuing to research, it is important to find a work-around in order to keep track of the things you know/discover while we are waiting for this feature. But, lets also continue to request this feature in the meantime. 

December 01, 2012 09:48 AM
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Michael Giambrone
The work around hides one tree from view. I am currently using it and I am embarrassed to show my wife's families (she is adopted) geni because of this. Currently her adoptive family would be hidden from view and her adoptive father doesn't show up on the tree, which makes him look like he doesn't exist after raising her for 38 years. So I chose not to invite (both) of her entire families. 40 potential members which would grow exponentially. One of the greatest features about geni was the ability to invite family members and have them build the tree from their perspective.
December 01, 2012 06:55 AM
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Annelise
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p.s. My family also has orphans that were raised in the family but not adopted.  The ancestry of the foster parents is not relevant to the legal situation of the orphans, their parents has the misforture of dying yount.  The foster parents can be listed with the same workaround as I have used for adoptees. 

December 01, 2012 06:00 AM
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Annelise
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This has nothing to do with a  "cultural hang-up".  When Geni implements things they should do the most good for the most people - to make the most money for the company  There is a work-around that I have described and you can use it.    You are not being stopped from creating a tree that shows adoptees as full family members.  You can choose to create a birth-parent tree, an adoptive parent tree - or both.  No one is stopping you.  Just do it.

December 01, 2012 05:56 AM
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Donald William Earnest Partridge

We lead complicated lives and want to include and recognize adopted children as full family members. Adopted children have a natural curiosity to meet and connect with their biological parent or parents and half siblings.  Geni recognizes the concept of "Partner" or "Common-Law relationship" and recognizes that relationships can be opposite-sex or same-sex relationships.  So what is the cultural hang-up over recognizing adopted relationships?  We are now usually identifying these relationships as biological because that where the skill level is.

November 30, 2012 06:50 PM
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Craig
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I have been hoping for this feature since I first signed up in 2010. My family, and many families are rife with adoptions. In many cases, the adoptive families and blood families BOTH play an extremely important and profound role in a person's life. I'm not sure exactly how it should work out or show on the tree. Perhaps that should be up to the user (choose default parents or something). 

 

I REALLY want this feature. 

November 07, 2012 10:23 AM
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Judith Judi Elaine (McKee) Burns
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I still would like to see this  support for adoption and even foster childre as people do list them as"blood relatives which is incorrect - - this option should be available on GENI as it is SUPPORTED in    regular   genealoogiclal programs such as Legacy, PAF, family Tree   Below attached is

a screen shot of the main data entry table it covers much more than this issue   but  is request ideas for improvements that have been  ignored over the past year and a half or more

October 06, 2012 04:31 AM
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Kenneth Haallman

Why isn't there any feedback from the admins?

I just started my free 14 day trial today and planned not to cancel but this is negative. To solve the problem for now I followed this instructions: http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Adoption The first one gives a three conflict so I thought it was kinda rubbish solution. I therefor went for the second solution. It kinda works but why no integrated solution or any explanation from the admins?

October 05, 2012 03:15 PM
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Oliver Bryk
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Shortly after the end of WWII one of my relatives formally adopted two children he had hidden during the war; their parents were murdered in Auschwitz. I have created profiles of the children as his son and daughter with a fictitious mother. I would like to add profiles of the children's biological parents to the tree and honor their memory by adding their names to the Auschwitz project. 

July 20, 2012 04:54 PM
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Elana Kahn
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I think we definitely need more options for parents.  There are people that are the product of donor sperm/egg and even donor embryo who know their biological parents and their "adoptive" parents.  We should be able to name the parent relationship and add as many parent combinations with families as we would like.  Or if we can't name the relationship, have an option for two biological parents (who don't necessarily have to be married to one another) and then unlimited options for non-biological parents.  This needs to be added ASAP!!!!  We pay a lot of money for this service, and this should really be a basic and relatively easy addition.

February 24, 2012 11:59 AM
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Terry Jackson (Switzer)
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I think that as long as this was not called 'adoptive' it would also be a useful feature in the historic tree where historians are not in agreement about a persons parentage.  This is taking Geni way too long to implement.

January 15, 2012 05:03 AM
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Muammar Ishak

It will be good to be supported. I have been waiting in Geni since 2008.

My suggestion, before adding this support please make a survey of other type of parents probably exist base on other country/culture/religion. Another easier way is similar to the comment by P.Wilson where don't name it specifically with "Adoptive". Its better we can add another parents and name that relationship.

November 16, 2011 03:51 AM
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Dan Cornett
Curator

In a related feature request (showing multiple parents: http://help.geni.com/entries/20475277-show-conflicting-parents-more... ), the idea is proposed of showing non-biological parent-child relationships with a "different line style" (e.g.: dashed line).

September 28, 2011 07:34 AM
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Annelise
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Start with your blood lines.  Once you have that tree in place, give yourself a "spouse" and name it  either "adoptive tree".  Now use that "spouse" to fill out the adoptive tree.  Repeat for anyone else who is adopted. 

September 17, 2011 06:18 AM
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Vanessa Heide

I am an adopted child who has been reunited with biological mother and half-siblings, and for which reacquainted my adoptive father with birth mother. My adoptive mother is deceased and my adopted father remarried which gave me older step-siblings.  My adopted parents had also adopted a boy prior to me. My adopted parents and my biological mother plus her few sisters met at time of my adoption and my father with his 2nd wife have been in regular  contacts with each other.  My dad also became the grandfather of children born in his 2nd marriage which made me an aunt and now great aunt too.  Care to tell me how I am supposed to go through all that confusion whilst trying to do my blood lines.  I found this site purely by accident whilst searching a linkage of 1100 and happens to be my history, genetically, by 30 steps.  A source from whom I joined into had managed to trace back to there but I was curious in knowing more of this party/family so far back in history.

September 15, 2011 07:16 PM
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Iddo Micha Oberski
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Excellent, I get it now thanks!

August 20, 2011 01:25 AM
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Liivi
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Iddo, Annelise is using Option 2 in http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Adoption

August 19, 2011 09:24 PM
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Annelise
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Here is an example for a famous Eurasian in Hong Kong, Sir Robert Ho Tung.  He had no heir, so he adopted his brother's eldest son. 

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/4815566143470026453

August 14, 2011 03:34 AM
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Iddo Micha Oberski
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Hi Anelise, I am interested in your 'alternate tree' option, but do not quite understand how it works. Could you please give a more detailed explanation, as I quite like to try it. In my tree the same person has two foster parents and two biological parents. At the moment, when I look at his tree, I can only see the foster parents and their biological children are mapped as this person's biological brothers. The only way to get to his biological parents seems to be to tupe them into the search field. Perhaps you approach will solve this.

August 13, 2011 05:51 AM
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Annelise
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The "alternate tree" option works great for those with adopted kids.  1. You give the adoptive child a "spouse".  I named mine "Adoptive tree".  2. Then you change the "spouse" gender to "unknown" this makes it very clear that there is no "error".  Now build the birth parent trees like any other tree. Try it.  I did for one of my relatives and it works like a charm.

August 13, 2011 02:45 AM
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Job Waterreus

How about foster child, stepchild an legitimate child?

August 08, 2011 04:59 PM
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Lou
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Is the adoptive parents working  now?  My sister was legally adopted by my aunt, sister of my mom.  She, my sister, is currently linked to both, with a merge or tree conflict. Can she resolve her problem now so she can flag my aunt and uncle as her adoptive parents?

July 01, 2011 03:30 AM
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Joeri Werbrouck

I agree!!

My wife's great-grandfather was adopted. I know who his biological parents were, and also know his adoptive parents. Please add this feature!!!

June 15, 2011 06:31 PM
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Cindy Capsanes

I also need this ability to add my adopted family.  I have currently not listed myself on one set because I have merge issues.  This needs to be fixed, please!

June 05, 2011 03:08 PM
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Joanna Shear

I recently joined Geni. I like the application and am having a great time filling in the tree. However my adoptive children's birth families are a crucial part of our family history, and I will have to move to another site if support for adoptive families isn't added soon.

May 16, 2011 10:16 AM
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David Monteith

Thanks so much Bjorn, that's brilliant

May 05, 2011 09:27 AM
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Bjørn P. Brox
Curator

In the Relationship tab when editing a profile you will observe that the names on the parents is a pull-down menu. Just select the correct parent-set for your half brother and click save. If his mother is not added or you have to add her first as a spouse to your father. If she is unknown or you don't want her listed just add a profile temporary as your father spouse and delete her when you have selected the couple as your brothers parents.

When a spouse is added you have the option to define what kind of relationship it is (ex-wife etc).

May 05, 2011 09:01 AM
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David Monteith

Hi

 

I have a half brother and it lists my mother as his mother which is not true.  Is it possible to remove my mother as his father but keep my father intact?

May 05, 2011 08:31 AM
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Malcolm Bennett

Yes please add this feature. My son in law was adopted at birth, but has met his biological family & we would love to add them to the tree.

Many thanks.

April 15, 2011 09:27 AM
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Günther Kipp
Curator

Still no conclusion on adopted children??

April 14, 2011 07:26 AM
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Phil Martin
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The movement afoot to incorporate a method and means of identifying adopted children is strong.  I am not a programmer, but I think it would not be too difficult to incorporate this long overdue request.  This site is called Geni, but it is not limited to just genes, it also incorporated family history, and adoption is certainly a foundational part of a family history.  Please try to implement this feature into Geni.  Geni has proven to be an incredible tool with wonderful features, but this one praticular  is lacking and appears to be often requested.  Thank You.

March 27, 2011 09:50 AM
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Mtn Sunshine

I managed to add adoptive parents thru this suggestion, leaving a "conflict", but it's definitely time to make it easier... http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Adoption

March 21, 2011 11:42 AM
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Barney Henry

Please, add the support for the 'adoption' feature. Every other basic genealogy system out there seems to support it. Geni is a fantastic online application, but it should really be addressing this long overdue feature as a priority.

March 20, 2011 03:55 PM
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Carolyn Potter

If I know the biological parents I put them in.

For example, I have a stepfather that adopted the mom's child. So for the parents I put the mom and "unknown". and the child comes from that union.  Then the stepfather is her second relationshp. But since the child is adopeted, the child has the stepfather's last name. And I put a note in "about" that the child was adopted by the stepfather. 

If the child is adopted and the parents are not known, I just put that in the notes too. 

I don't know what to do if the child was adopted by a new mom and dad, but the biological mom and dad are also known.  I suppose even though they are adopeted, they would biologically belong to the tree of their biological parents. That would have to be your call. It would sure be nice if we could add a second set of parents. Or put the child in two separate trees.  I think you could do that and then put notes in both of adopted child's profile.

March 20, 2011 08:56 AM
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Chris Sabin

My paternal grandfather was adobted. My tree is setup as his adoptive mother being his biological mother. Now that I have the info on his true biological parents, I would like to add them. Does anyone know how?

March 20, 2011 07:05 AM
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Rhonda Berwick

I agree, long overdue.  Children having a set of biological parents and a set of parents that raised them need a way to track both.  I have two adopted nephews and my son is adopted.  All three know the names and have met one or both of their biological parents.  By the way, this isn't a new thing to family trees, Geni you need to make this more of a priority.

February 22, 2011 09:26 AM
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Iddo Micha Oberski
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Yes I agree, in particular in my family tree there are many instances of children having lost parents in the war and having been raised by foster parents. I would like to be able to add these to the tree. But another aspect that would interest me, although it is probably beyond what Geni is about, is friendship networks and some kind of 'closeness' indicator that allows you to associate any two individuals. This then would allow you to map, besides the family bonds, also the friendship bonds that go beyond family ties.

February 19, 2011 05:33 AM
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Ali Kat

What about Foster Parents how would you add them to the tree?  Mom & Pop (Foster Parents) raised me threw the growing years along with the rebellious years.  I think they deserve a place in the tree they had me for almost 16 yrs and they are the ones I have been calling Mom & Pop for over 50 years.  My Parents & birth parents are all deceased

February 17, 2011 01:15 PM
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Carolyn Potter

My brother has biological kids, plus an adopted child.  My brother is not the dad or the mom, so what can I do?

February 08, 2011 03:19 PM
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Carolyn Potter

My brother has biological kids, plus an adopted child.  My brother is not the dad or the mom, so what can I do?

February 08, 2011 03:19 PM
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Rachel Ramstorf

There should be a "biological parent" tab....as opposed to "adoptive"

February 08, 2011 01:31 PM
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Nina Golod

MyHeritage shows in addition to "replace old parents by the new ones" in merge two more options: "current adopted and new biological" and "current biological and new adopted". Adding similar options in merge will solve the Adoptive parents problem, I think

February 08, 2011 12:29 AM
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Bob Alberti

Hello, Geni Administrators!  I have two adoptive parents and two siblings by them, and I have two birth parents, and five half-siblings by my adoptive parents.  Get on the ball and create an adoptive parent structure, or this place is useless to me.

February 05, 2011 12:07 PM
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Pam Wilson
Curator

The need for alternate parents is critical, yes, I agree and support it. However, the new feature should not be named "adoptive" parents because that is too culturally specific and limiting. We also have other reasons for needing to indicate more than one set of parents, and this varies between cultures and time periods. So perhaps just the ability to add an additional or alternate parent or set of parents.

February 04, 2011 01:45 PM
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Shane Taylor
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I agree 100 percent. Having the adopted parents right in the same tree as the birth parents would be great. Even if some how the birth parents show on a different part of the tree as a duplicate (ie. a aunt and uncles adopt a niece) it could better reflect the dynamics of real families. If a tree branch is printed it would also properly show the family's dynamic.

February 03, 2011 06:10 AM