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Specific icon or phrase for 'killed in the holocaust"

Michal Kramer (Klein)

October 06, 2011 01:00

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So many family trees among Ashkenazi jews were cut down during the holocaust.
There should be a specific Icon or phrase for this
It's important for the many Jewish subscribers since the current feature does not describe our real history.
Prof. Uri Kramer
Tel Aviv

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  David Prins October 25, 2011 10:50

  This has been discussed previously, and it was felt that the Holocaust was so recent and so personal and so raw that having one icon "imposed" would be welcomed by some and loathed by others.  It was felt better that each person choose their own words and phrases, to match their own thoughts and feelings.

  Please be aware of some projects that may interest you, including:

  http://www.geni.com/projects/Heroes-of-the-Holocaust-The-Courageous-Fighters-against-Hitler-s-Nazi-Regime

  http://www.geni.com/projects/Victims-of-the-German-NAZI-Holocaust

  http://www.geni.com/projects/Memorial-to-European-Rabbis-that-Perished-in-the-Holocaust

  http://www.geni.com/projects/Holocaust-Survivors-Children-Champions-of-Challenge

  and others.

  See http://www.geni.com/projects/search?q=holocaust

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  Malka Mysels October 25, 2011 15:27

  Thank you David and Dr. Uri Kramer.  We have indeed been remiss in not providing an Icon, Symbol or Logo to hallow the name

  of the victims that were exterminated in the Holocaust.    I just added the Yad Vashem Logo to our Logos and Symbols Family Tree.  If you 

  have another Logo you would like to add, please feel free to add it to this tree.

  http://www.geni.com/people/Exterminated-in-Holocaust/6000000014370723289  Yad Vashem Profile Logo

  http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000014370723289  Logos and Symbols Tree

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  Malka Mysels October 25, 2011 15:30

  In addition see:  http://help.geni.com/entries/20069581-check-box-for-holocaust-victims#overview

  Great idea.

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  Uri Kramer October 28, 2011 16:19

  Dear MalKa

  I discussed his issue with friends at work (Tel Aviv, Sourasky, Medical Center)

  The general agreement was that the Yad Vashem icon is too complicated and not known enough. My friends suggested Magen David on top or circling the "Yellow Patch" - what do you think?

  Dear  David

  I think that if we see a sudden cesation of a family tree - than an icon on all the last ones will be appropriate. Of course everybody is building his own family tree and has his options. 

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  Daniel Levy October 28, 2011 23:55

  Most of the times I use one of the following symbols, created by a cousin of mine, for those relatives who perished in the Holocaust,

  and for whom I don't have a photo. One of them could be used as an icon for this purpose:

  http://www.geni.com/photo/album/6000000008819830404?album_id=6000000010832275218

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  David Prins October 29, 2011 22:35

  Daniel

  I can't access that photo album - probably a privacy issue.  Can you add those symbols in the area of http://www.geni.com/people/Exterminated-in-Holocaust/6000000014370723289 please?

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  David Prins October 29, 2011 22:36

  There are various Yad Vashem and other symbols at http://www.geni.com/people/Logos-Symbols-Design-Tree/6000000011285063370#/tab/media

  I have asked Malka to consider separating them out to individual profiles to make them easier to find

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  David Prins October 29, 2011 22:41

  I think we are all agreeing that we each have our own ideas on appropriate symbols.  Some prefer the Yad Vashem symbol.  Some don't.  Some prefer a yellow star.  Others not.  I have seen a variety of different symbols used.  Some I have seen use for those murdered at Auschwitz a picture of the railway line leading up to Auschwitz.  Something like http://joedresch.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/auschwitz.jpg

  That is very stark and very effective.  Search in Google Images for Auschwitz and you will find many such images that some will find appropriate and others not.

  Can we co-ordinate with Malka to add "profiles" in the Logos / Symbols area for each image that we think might be appropriate.

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  David Prins October 29, 2011 22:48

  Prof Uri Kramer wrote: "I think that if we see a sudden cesation of a family tree - than an icon on all the last ones will be appropriate. Of course everybody is building his own family tree and has his options. "

  I agree.  I personally don't like to use any of the generic icons.  For my own extended family, I prefer something more personal. For example an image of a synagogue in which they were involved before the Shoah, or a picture of a memorial where they are named, or the cover of a book that names them or which relates to their town.  Etc.

  While at the same time I understand and respect that others prefer generic icons.

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  Malka Mysels October 30, 2011 05:03

  Dear Dr. Kramer,

  Thank you for bringing this vital issue to light, and we greatly appreciate all the time you have taken to explore with friends at the university 

  how best to pay homage to family members and family trees terminated in the Shoah.  

  The reason Yad Vashem was given as a choice, is as an aid as to where to turn to permanently have the names

  of these hallowed souls memorialized.  

  Judith Elam first brought up this important and sensitive issue a very long time ago,

  and she much preferred the fiery Star-of-David, and the Star-of David encircled by barbed wires. 

  Others at that time responded that for them those images were too intense. 

   

  So, it seems there is definitely a need to expand the number of images offered,  and as

  you suggest try to work on appropriate accompanying phraseology to encompass the  "unspeakable". 

  See: http://www.geni.com/discussions/102182 for other  comments.

  Malka